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ethicalbonker
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Talked to dfo and they said no sock openning this year.
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Fish'n BC
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Ya the migration run has declined over the past several days and the summer run has been downgraded from 1,585.000 to 1,300,000. They are even talking of restricting First Nation reported catch, which currently stands at 323,000 sockeye. Total run this year is only 2,230,000, where it should be closer to 8,000,000.
Instead of dwelling over this dismal sockeye run, start focusing on next years run...the massive run cycle from 2010, plus another pink salmon year on top of it. How awesome is that going to be?
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Fish'n BC
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(deleted) tech problem fixed!
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fishforthought
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i thought the large sockeye return from 2010 is scheduled to come back 2014?
or will like half come after 3 years and half after 4?
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Fish'n BC
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As I read and as it was also explained to me; this year was from 2009 and next year is from 2010.
But now I also read this year was from 2008 and next year is from 2009.
What the heck?!
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Fish'n BC
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So reading further: it sais sockeye can return anywhere from 3 to 5 years. So if next year is mainly from the 2009 1.5 million , that's not encouraging.
I'm getting alot of mixed contraditory messages about sockeye cycles, can anyone elaborate better?
It looks like on average; the 4 year olds comprise aprox 75%, the 5 year olds comprise aprox 20% and the 3 year olds (mainly Harrison run) comprise aprox 5%...but that can vary extensively depending on the brood year returns and many other factors. So, I give up trying to figure that all out.
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bently
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Being an ex commercial fisherman for over 30 yrs I have always thought that the "odd" years are the big "PINK" runs for the lower mainland and the "even" years are big "SOCKEYE" runs.
You always see smaller runs almost every year, like the Early Stuart sockeye and well as many other rivers and tributaries
The next even year will be the main Adams River sockeye followed by the Horsefly River sockeye the even year after that. The Horsefly River sockeye tend to be the biggest fish in size while the Adams fish tend to have the greatest numbers in total if mother nature does it's job and all "OTHER" factors are minimal in regards to the fish returns.
Pink, Sockeye, Pink, Sockeye, and so on and so on.
The 30 million sockeye we witnessed return were the Adams River fish {the biggest of all Sockeye runs to us BC'ers, so this run will return in the year 2014, not 2013 like you mentioned.
When it comes to Vancouver Island Rivers, there are pink runs every year, some bigger than others, as well as sockeye runs too, but all in all the even/odd year is the cycle of return for the sockeye/pink salmon.
Every 4 yrs is the main cycle for salmon, so being that 2010 was the main Adams River sockeye, that tells you that in the year 2014 the main Adams River sockeye will be here again. All the rivers mentioned above will see fish return every year, but the main cycle is as I described.
My 0.02
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ChakaRaka
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I am glad Bently answered this. I was waiting to see if he would. He would have more to share on this subject than anyone else. Thanks Bently.
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Fish'n BC
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Thanks Bently!
Guess only First nation opening next year as well  , since the brood year for next year was only 1.5 M compared to the brood year for this year of 1.7 M
Oh well, at least we will have the pinks which are fun on light weight tackle using spoons, spinners and flys.
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jayinsurrey
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What do you mean you talked to DFO and they said no sockeye opening this year? Why aren't they saying that publicly on their website instead of just telling you?
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ethicalbonker
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Wow guys thanks for all the sockeye learning. Fishing is fun but its nice to know the background, so thanks again guys for taking the time to shead some light on the subject.
Oh and my info came from Barrys secratary at dfo. She called me after they came out of there last meeting. Dont shoot the messenger. Just saying what they told me. Im not to pleased aswell but we have Coho coming soon I cant wait for some quite, relaxing, real fishing.
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sharphooks moderator
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thanks for the update.
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ChakaRaka
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Good thread, but jayinsurrey needs to watch his caffeine intake or something. What is with all the "one-posters" coming out, both guns blazing? Would be nice if people said hi or contributed something before cross-examining (or otherwise antagonizing) the regulars here...
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cutfisher
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Better pay attention or you will find springs shut down as well. Todays notice from DFO.
Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject: FN0749-RECREATIONAL - SALMON: Region 2 - Salmon fishing in the Fraser River and tributaries
Due to the current low abundance of sockeye the Department is reminding anglers
that there are no recreational fishing opportunities for sockeye in Region 2,
the waters of the Fraser River and its tributaries.
Fishing for chinook (4 per day with only one greater than 50 cm) and chum (2
per day) salmon remains open.
While fishing for chinook and chum salmon, anglers are advised to avoid using
fishing methods such as bottom bouncing that catch sockeye salmon and use other
fishing methods that are selective.
The first principle of selective fishing is to avoid catching non-targeted
stocks. This means that anglers should use methods that do not catch sockeye.
The following fishing methods enable anglers to catch chinook and chum salmon
and avoid sockeye salmon interceptions:
Bar Fishing
Trolling Spoons at Creek mouths
Float Fishing
Pulling Plugs
Fly Fishing
We encourage anglers to continue to use these methods to target chinook and
chum while avoiding sockeye.
All non-target species caught must be released immediately in a manner that
causes the least harm. For further information and tips on releasing salmon,
please visit the DFO website at:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/points/responsbl-eng.htm
Notes:
The aggregate daily limit for all species of Pacific Salmon (other than
kokanee) from tidal and non-tidal waters combined is four (4).
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia. This includes all species of fish in the Fraser
River.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head
Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped
Chinook and Coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical
information for coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head
Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at (866) 431-
FISH.
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0749
Sent August 17, 2012 at 1530
Visit Fisheries and Oceans Canada on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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ethicalbonker
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I think they did the same during the last sockeye closure. Im sure tommarow the BB'rs will be all lined up at scale bar for first light.
Thomas
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prunehands
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over the years,dfo has often warned against methods that catch sockeye on low years.I can't recall them ever following through.
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bently
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You'll still see the floss gang out in full force,
WHY ???
Cause most of them don't know any other way to fish.
Sad, but very true I'm afraid.
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