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sharphooks moderator
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as some of you are aware we were invaded by the trolls last night. i was sick in bed so was not online to see the posts.
i have delted the thread . hope none of the regular members who responded mind.
if any of those who voiced complaints would like to read the last 50 threads i think they would be surprised by the lack of
posts by "the moderator" except in response to posts .
i have delted some posts because the posters refused to show any respect to the members of this site . otherwise i try and stay out of things. i have tried to avoid the "pissing matches" some members seem to want to get into .
i am open to hearing any legitimat complaints and will do my best to change anything i am doing if that is necesary but honestly i do not listen to those posts from memebers who obviously do not follow what goes on yet complain this site is a joke etc. this site is what we make it. if the mebers want it to be a free for all, i will gladly resign my position .i sure as hell would not bother with sharphooks if it goes that way.
my opinion is we have a great place to visit to talk fishing. 98 percent of the posts are great. i will keep trying to keep it that way and not be over run by the trolls.
i would like everyone to just read this post and get back to talking fishing. do not bother responding unless you truely have an issue with what i have said or do. i am open to complaints if they are real but i have to admit i do not pay attention to what the "trolls' have to say. back to fishing.....please !
ps and if anyone wants to pretend they are moderator by posting ignorant comments calling themselves the moderator, they will be banned from the site.
as well, if trouble makers from the past want to come back with new names such as dfo, they are easily recognizable. we do not protect law breakers on this site . we also do not condone someone continually bringing up old garbage that was dealt with.
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cagey
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hey nothinbutsturg. good to see you back ! now make lake a bird and fly away .
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sharphooks moderator
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good call cagey. i thought the same thing.
your post was obviosly referring to the same thing nothinbutsturg wanted to bring up over and over. noone is hiding or protecting anything. if you feel strongly you can contact dfo, like you threatened before. the member you want to attack has even posted his real name. either put up or shut up. and by the way, you are banned from this site whether you are nothinbutsturg or not. your sole intention of the post is in violation of the rules as it is meant to cause trouble.
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G.A.
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wow must have missed the kids out on the day pass.
karma`s a bitch
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ChakaRaka
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Exactly my thoughts. At least they were too lame to manage getting into real trouble or especially impregnating someone. I wonder what babysitting pays these days? The Mod, should write an invoice to their parents for day care... Keep your chin up Mod, those with ADHD have very short attention spans.
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ChakaRaka
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Well it looks like preschool let out a day earlier this week. Trollingisgood is back at his juvenile bs. We are not alone, though he trolls other boards:
http://www.ontariosportfishing.com/view_topic.php?id=4592&forum_id=1
Hey Mod, can we publish his email and IP yet? Kinda curious about the small "creeos" around his house and if his mother really will reproduce with anyone as seems evident by his existence...
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Jeep'n'fish
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Open comments to the Moderator:
I posted my opinion last week, it was not an attack but a personal opinion only. I trust that you have been a SharpHooks member for a long time and seen a few Mods come and go, hopefully learning along the way. Some of the points that led me to my opinion are outlined below, with what I think are helpful pointers.
*When a Moderator deletes a post, keep it simple, state only that the post was deleted for violating forum policy or other violations. Going into detail or further comments about the post or poster just fuels the fire.
*The Moderator should be helpful, you took on this job, put in the work to try to find the answers to the questions that are being asked, as a Moderator you are considered an authority on this site and the topic of fishing in this area. You have the Internet at your disposal, and about 120 pages of previous threads, no we do not expect you to know everything, but when you can not add anything useful then do not comment.
*Never use a members status of activity or inactivity against them, be thankful that they are a member and supporting your site because without your members you don't have a site.
*Starting new threads to take control of forum politics, it does not take control, but merely shows your frustration in loosing control. Instead of starting a new thread, delete the offending thread, if you find the need to explain why the thread was deleted then do not delete the thread, just the offending comments, and post your explanation on the end of the thread.
I am posting this at your request, and do not require any comments, you do not have to agree with any of this, just know that it is not a personal attack, just my personal opinion.
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you’re in control, they’re in control."- Tom Landry.
Feel free to delete this after reading.
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ChakaRaka
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I was really disappointed to see this post by someone that I was under the impression was a contributing, upstanding member. I felt this whole tactic was tacky and really unjustified, so as such I will address these point myself (simply as a member interested in the betterment of this site and intolerant of unwarranted mod bashing).
Jeep'n'fish: *When a Moderator deletes a post, keep it simple, state only that the post was deleted for violating forum policy or other violations. Going into detail or further comments about the post or poster just fuels the fire.
Me: The comments I have seen posted usually referred to specific issues that the Moderator has had with the member. Including in many cases a warning or two prior to any serious action being taken. To me this is more than fair. I think that the moderator often does this for those of us that were not a part of the thread and are wondering why the blank spaces or deleted threads.
Jeep'n'fish: *The Moderator should be helpful, you took on this job, put in the work to try to find the answers to the questions that are being asked, as a Moderator you are considered an authority on this site and the topic of fishing in this area. You have the Internet at your disposal, and about 120 pages of previous threads, no we do not expect you to know everything, but when you can not add anything useful then do not comment.
Me: When has the moderator not been helpful? Please understand that this is neither a full-time nor paid job. Besides the ridiculous amount of unnecessary babysitting required on this site, the mod is often the first to reply to serious questions, especially by newbies. Our mod also works and has a family like many of us. Just how much do you expect one guy to do? Especially when much of what he does already, is nitpicked and second-guessed.
Jeep'n'fish:*Never use a members status of activity or inactivity against them, be thankful that they are a member and supporting your site because without your members you don't have a site.
Me: Bullshit! If they are someone that contributes nothing and are only here to stir the pot, then pure and simple, they are a liability and needless waste of time, not a contributing member. Were you referring to contributing members, then I could agree with you. But the trolls you are referring to, I would not piss on if they were on fire. Let us also remember that our poor mod is a glorified babysitter, not a site owner, so why would he want purely numbers (membership wise)? If much of his job is babysitting, wouldn't quality of membership be more of a priority over quantity? You act as though he is being paid to do this thankless task. If he were paid a commission per member, then I may be able to reconcile this senselessness.
Jeep'n'fish:*Starting new threads to take control of forum politics, it does not take control, but merely shows your frustration in loosing control. Instead of starting a new thread, delete the offending thread, if you find the need to explain why the thread was deleted then do not delete the thread, just the offending comments, and post your explanation on the end of the thread.
Me: I don't see how either scenario that you describe differ much from each other. Especially when, more often than not, the latter is the approach typically taken. Jeep, just what qualifies you to be an authority on leadership, moderator conduct or demand anything beyond what you are already receiving with your FREE membership?
Then there is the spineless practice of filing your grievances late at night, just like the trolls do. What in hopes of having maximum exposure before the party you are criticizing has a chance to defend themselves or respond. Really, then you try to lend credibility to your fickle complaints by quoting a cliche by a football coach? Yeah because football coaches are the paradigm of intellect, social consciousness and diplomacy.
If I saw you at the lead of the pack to take the job on and show how it could be better, then I would take your manifesto as constructive criticism, otherwise it is just self-entitled sniveling.
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Jeep'n'fish
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As stated this is just my opinion, I do not expect that everyone will agree with it, and that is what makes this a free country.As for the timing of my post, this is when I am available, it is not designed for any other motives. ChakaRaka I do not in any way support the people that are here to cause trouble and have only posted my observations of activities over the past. I do believe that the Moderator solicited creative criticism, and felt compelled to express what I would like to see changed, if you feel that this is an attack on the Moderator, I am sorry for that, as it is not.I do not envy the position of trying to keep so many different people appeased when it is too easy for some to hide behind a screen name.
"Jeep'n'fish:*Never use a members status of activity or inactivity against them, be thankful that they are a member and supporting your site because without your members you don't have a site.
Me: Bullshit! If they are someone that contributes nothing and are only here to stir the pot, then pure and simple, they are a liability and needless waste of time, not a contributing member. Were you referring to contributing members, then I could agree with you. But the trolls you are referring to, I would not piss on if they were on fire."
Yes I was referring to a long time contributing member(not myself) that I observed in an earlier thread, whether it was in jest or not, it was how I interpreted the post.
Lets not let this crap get out of hand, I am here to contribute positively, if you do not agree with my opinions that is fine, I may not agree with some of the opinions I read here also, but do not assume that I am attacking anyone.
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ChakaRaka
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Fair enough...
Now look at the name of the thread and look at when you posted your essay of negative "critique". My theory, long story short, is that if you are not ready to take on the task yourself, keep your constructive criticism WAY more subtle and brief than that. If you truly have been through a few mods, you would know that things are truly looking up lately despite the detractors. This mod (like all) is not perfect, but his predominantly live-and-let-live approach, devoid of agendas or overwhelming conservatism fits me a lot better than some of those that he has followed.
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Jeep'n'fish
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Shakes hands then goes to bed, thinking about where he can fish in the morning.
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G.A.
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does this site not have the ability to moderate certain people posts before allowing them?...most do or is easy to set up. make the bad mo nkey list and make them all mod posts. then moderator has to approve them before they show. im not saying for all or that would kill the site but just those that cant seem to control their mouths. give them 1 or 2 chances and ban them and thier ip from there if the continue.
ive never seen, a site on any topic have so many issues with the same people, over and over and over...i realy dont get that? other sites get banned and gone for good. ...most cases. and we all know there is only a small handfull here that is ruining the whole site for many others..as an owner of a few web sites myself i just dont get why this is such an issue to rid the site of the immature trolls
my only suggestion here is be more firm in the playing boss or baby sitting job. i think they all had more than their fair share of warnings. ;.
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sharphooks moderator
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g.a., no such controls. would be nice.
chaka, thanks for your support.
jeepnfish, sorry if i have not been able to please you. i did not erase the thread because of your comments. the troll that started it was just back to cause trouble under a differenyt name. i meant to delete him and pressed the wrong button.i apologize. i did not disregard what you said.
as chaka said, i volunteered to take this position. it is a major job as i read every post. unfortunately this must be done or the trolls would take over.
you complained i do not help other members. in one of your threads i think you suggested i use another name for posting. i do that. i have posted well over 500 times on this site. if you knew how much i have helped other mebers you would certainly eat those words. besides, i disagree with you as to what a moderator should be doing. it is called moderating not running the site by answering all of the mebers questions. that is why we have so many great members.......the mr grey1's, the chaka, chris s's ,g.a., cagey and others are always there to help those. you should try and answer more questions and be a little less critical.
i do respect what you said. you have said your piece in a relatively adult fashion. i do not take any offence. just try and understand. and, if you do not like it you can do a trial period as moderator, answering every questioon that is asked on here. try it for 2 days and see how much time you have for fishing, your family and work..........you will be glad to relinquish the duties. now lets getback to fishing.
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Ofd
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Oh you guys are so smart ! But sorry wrong You talk about all these great members but where are they? There seems to be 5 or six regulars that post about nothing, then you see new people who post but quickly disappear after the realize how sad this site is. So what is the member count?
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Fish'n BC
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Ofd- And this matters to you because......???? Is there a point to your post, or are you just trolling? This is a fishing forum, what is it you want people to post that isn't being posted?
The Sharp Hooks forum is a place for people to talk about sport fishing in British Columbia, Canada in an open and friendly environment.
Except for the occasional verbal diarea from an unwelcome troll, do you not see that here? If someone speaks out of line to detract from the open and friendly environment, they are educated accordingly.
The "regulars" are the ones who choose to donate their time and knowledge of the sport to those who are new or have questions about various aspects of it, it isn't expected that everybody will provide this service and members aren't expected to post beyond asking a question or sharing an experience relating to sport fishing.
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G.A.
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thier always here clown. and new guys leave because of idiots like you and the few others that cant seem to find a life elsewhere. no need to worry about member count, its higher than your brain can function anyways
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Ofd
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Awe GA pretty lame come on you can do better then that cant ya hot stuff.
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pajeff
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Well Ofd, at least you knew which topic to post under, except it is not Sunday, shame.
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ChakaRaka
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Bwaaa haa haaa! Good one MrJeff. 
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sharphooks moderator
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Ofd if you actually looked at what goes on instead of posting a useless cricism you would realize we have a lot of new members who want to actively participate on the site.on one thread about mike lk there are at least half a dozen new members , all helping each other out. we also have some regulars who are happy to try and help people.there are more than 4 or 5, probably 15 that i can think of. there are also many more members who keep an eye on the site and contribute on occasion. some have been somewhat scared off by the trolls but are gradually coming back.if everyone would stay positive in their posts many of these would come back more regularly. the interest in this site is definitely growing. now either join the fun or go elsewhere.
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G.A.
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hot stuff?...you swing that way?...sorry i dont. weirdo
this is why this site has idiots like this. ban the goof. why allow him to even continue. not 1 good word come from his hole yet. i dont get that, any other sites would have just booted his ass by now. its obvious he is just here under a new name to be a childish punk again
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Fish'n BC
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Technicaly: Ofd's original post (as Ofd) wasn't in violation of forum policy, even if it wasn't very posotive. After I posted: I was hoping he would turn a new leaf and "join the fun" as the mod put it.
Ofd's second post was in response to being provoked. Provication and insults usualy derive a negative response, as in this case. I think it unfair to judge Ofd based on that posting, as many would respond in a similar fashion.
However; for some low-lifes like "fishingisgood", there is no hope.
My 2 cents anyway.
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sharphooks moderator
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g.a. i very much appreciate the support you show to this site. i enjoy your posts on fishing BUT please leave the fighting the trolls that show up to others who are a bit more diplomatic !
as for the above posting, the member did not break any rules. lets just encourage everyone to stay positive.
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