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BEEFEATER
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THEY'RE THINKING OF OPENING ANOTHER COMMERCIALL FISHERY FOR SOCKEYE IN THE FRASER TO CATCH THE "SURPLUS". WHATS UP WITH THAT? CAN THEY NOT JUST KEEP THE QUOTAS THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN AND LET THE REST SPAWN? THEN MAYBE WE WONT RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM OF HAVING A LACK OF FISH. I FEEL LIKE ITS LIKE AN APPLE TREE. YOU FIND A TREE THAT MAKES LOTS OF APPLES. YOU PICK ALL THE APPLES AND CUT OFF ALL THE BRANCHES EXCEPT ONE AND EXPECT THERE TO BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF APPLES IN THE FUTURE. I FEEL LIKE CATCHING THE SURPLUS IS LIKE CUTTING OFF BRANCHES. LESS FISH FOR EVERYONE IN THE FUTURE.
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b_man360
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suck it up
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BEEFEATER
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YEAH, SAY THAT IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THERE ARE NO FISH AGAIN
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b_man360
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ok. stop yelling
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b_man360
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Stop yelling BEEFEATER. How about you read these rules about forum etiquette, concentrate on rule number 4. http://www.ehow.com/how_2106033_use-proper-forum-etiquette.html
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BEEFEATER
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SO SIX DAYS LATER YOU DECIDE TO HAVE A BEEF WITH ME? SCREW OFF
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b_man360
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4.Type in lowercase or standard case, not in all caps. By the rules of netiquette, all caps equates to shouting. If you type with all caps, you will annoy and possibly offend other forum members.
Read more: How to Use Proper Forum Etiquette | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2106033_use-proper-forum-etiquette.html#ixzz0xSuE07Q5
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BEEFEATER
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CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. YOU SUCK IT UP
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cagey
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i agree with beefeater . who cares if you use capitol letters or small case.
there are an abundance of sockeye so the commercial fishery is warranted. there have only been 3 million fish caught by all sorces apparently, commercial, native and sports fisheries.
the important thing to me is the idiots, i mean fisheries, make sure there are fish before they open it, inlike a couple of years ago. this year it is very obvious there are fish so catch a few. proper management will ensure future runs. proper management means get rid of the fish farms! they kill more fish than all the fishermen!
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spooner
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If you get too many fish in the spawning creeks it can be as bad as not having enough.
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BEEFEATER
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THANK YOU FOR SOME ACTUAL FEEDBACK, GUYS.
HOW MANY FISH DO YOU FIGURE IS MAX CAPACITY FOR ALL THE RIVERS THAT THEY END UP GOING UP? THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN MORE FISH THAN THIS BACK IN THE DAY
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b_man360
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LETS ALL YELL AS LOUD AS WE CAN!!!!
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BEEFEATER
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AND WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT FISH FARMS? ARE THERE ANY GOOD ARTICLES ABOUT THEM SO I KNOW WHAT THE BEEF IS? I'VE HEARD PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM BUT I'M NOT IN THOSE PEOPLE CONVERSATIONS SO I DONT KNOW THE STORY
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b_man360
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the fish in fish farms get sea lice and when the real salmon swim by they can get the sea lice and when the small salmon fry get sea lice on them it can kill them. also sea lions and other animals get caught in the nets of fish farms and die.
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b_man360
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o sorry, I will yell so you can hear me.
THE FISH IN FISH FARMS GET SEA LICE AND WHEN THE REAL SALMON SWIM BY THEY CAN GET THE SEA LICE AND WHEN THE SMALL SALMON FRY GET SEA LICE ON THEM IT CAN KILL THEM. ALSO SEA LIONS AND OTHER ANIMALS GET CAUGHT IN THE NETS OF FISH FARMS AND DIE.
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abe
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THERE HAS BEEN FISH LICE IN THE OCEAN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PACIFIC IF YOUR CATCHING FISH YOUR GOING TO BE CATCHING FISH WITH LICE FISH FARM OR NO FISH FARM THE LICE WILL ALLWAYS BE THERE.
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b_man360
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ya there has always been sea lice. but stocking hundreds of thousands of fish in small areas makes fish farms ideal breeding grounds for lice and increases the number of lice in surrounding waters. its in these surrounding waters that the salmon fry swim threw when they return to the ocean from the spawning river that they where born in. When the lice attatches to the young salmon it can kill them. and please STOP YELLING.
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cagey
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there is also a lot of diseases in the fish farms which have spread to wild stock. to make it worse the fish farms and authorities did not notify dfo of outbreaks, to stop the diseases they feed the fish antibiotics to help them fight the diseases. wild fish just die from it. i'll try and locate a very disturbing web site i saw a few weeks ago. fish farms should all be inland to avoid problems. apparently the technology is available and inland farms now exist.
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cagey
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look at a site called anglingbc
at the bottom of the hope page is access to a blog by alexandra morton. check it out. interesting info on fish farms.
the latest run size estimate is 25 million fish. this will be the biggest run since 1913. if somehow we don't kill the salmon fry, the runs will return. 2010 is proof. if only we knew why this run was so good and last years so bad.
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BEEFEATER
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I'LL GO HAVE A LOOK FOR THAT ARTICLE. THANKS
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cagey
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as someone pointed out earlier. sea lice are a common occurance. the problem is when the sea lice get the babies in large amounts.
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YZ125
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How can you tell if a fish has sea lice?
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cagey
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you will see them attached to the fish. they are obvious.
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Antics
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OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - 08/24/10) - STATEMENT BY GAIL SHEA
MINISTER OF FISHERIES AND OCEANS
The Honourable Gail Shea, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, today issued the following statement:
2010 is turning out to be a banner year for Fraser River sockeye salmon, with this year's return currently set at just over 25 million fish, one of the highest returns in the last hundred years. Several fishery openings for Fraser River sockeye have already occurred in 2010 and more are planned.
Conservation and the sustainable use of salmon stocks are the Government of Canada's first priorities in the management of this fishery. With this season's abundant numbers, for the first time in four years, all sectors, including commercial, recreational and First Nations have had a chance to harvest Fraser River sockeye. Having been assured that conservation goals have been met and exceeded, we are extremely pleased that there will be even more opportunities.
Our Government has always recognized the significance and importance of this iconic fish to British Columbians and Canadians. For this reason, Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the Cohen Commission of Inquiry in 2009 to take all feasible steps to improve the long-term sustainability and viability of this fishery for the benefit of all for years to come. The commission is thoroughly and actively engaged in its work to investigate all aspects of this fishery and we eagerly await its recommendations.
Our Government will continue to work with those involved in the Fraser River sockeye fishery to ensure it is sustainable, and continues to support the economies of communities in British Columbia for generations to come.
For more information about the management of Fraser River sockeye, please view the attached backgrounder.
Backgrounder
B-HQ-10-0824
MANAGEMENT OF FRASER RIVER SOCKEYE FISHERIES
August 24, 2010
Conservation and the sustainable use of salmon stocks are Fisheries and Oceans Canada's (DFO) first priority in our management of Fraser River sockeye fisheries.
The conservation objectives for Fraser River sockeye are established during the annual integrated fisheries management planning (IFMP) process, which involves all fishing sectors, First Nations and environmental organizations. Fisheries plans are established for several possible run sizes during this pre-season planning process, to ensure that in-season fisheries management is consistent with the Pacific salmon allocation policy.
DFO only opens commercial and recreational harvest opportunities for sockeye if returns are sufficient to meet conservation objectives and provide for First Nation food, social and ceremonial (FSC) fisheries, which, under the law, have priority over all other fisheries.
The life-cycle of sockeye salmon, from egg to spawning, is approximately four years. Young sockeye may remain in their freshwater nursery lakes for a year or more before making their seaward journey. Around their fourth year of life they return to the river for spawning and make up a portion of what is referred to as the in-season run or return.
Each year, the department estimates the sockeye seasonal returns for the following season for planning purposes. Then, the Fraser River Panel of the Pacific Salmon Commission (PSC) sets the in-season run sizes using science-based procedures as well as information obtained from test fisheries, counting devices, fish wheels and other sources. The panel meets twice per week during the summer and fall to monitor and update the in-season run sizes and determines fisheries openings for Fraser sockeye. When the season is over, the department conducts a post-season review.
The Panel determines when and where fisheries for Fraser River sockeye will be opened based on environmental conditions such as water temperatures and flows in the river, run sizes and the advice of panel members including DFO.
The PSC was formed by the governments of Canada and the United States to implement the Pacific Salmon Treaty. Both Canada and the United States appoint four commissioners and four alternates to the PSC, representing the interests of commercial and recreational fisheries as well as federal, state and First Nations governments. Under the terms of the Pacific Salmon Treaty, the Fraser River Panel of the PSC is responsible for in-season management of fisheries that target Fraser River sockeye and pink salmon.
The Fraser River Panel of the PSC has been regularly reviewing and upgrading the run sizes of several major components of the 2010 Fraser River sockeye population. As of Tuesday, August 24, based on estimates of in-season returns, the panel set the total 2010 Fraser River sockeye return at slightly over 25 million fish which is the largest return since 1913. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely over the next several weeks and management decisions will be adjusted as appropriate. For the latest information on the run management please see: www.psc.org.
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BEEFEATER
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THAT NUMBER MAKES ME DROOL A LITTLE :D
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BEEFEATER
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THIS IS A SEA LICE?
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BEEFEATER
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THIS IS A SEA LICE?
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fishforthought
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yeah thats a sea lice. i caught 2 at pegleg today both with lice on em.
does it make the fish bad to eat or is it no big deal?
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BEEFEATER
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YEAH, BOTH OF THE FISH FROM THAT DAY WERE FROM PEGLEG AND BOTH HAD LICE. STILL WONDERFULLY DELICIOUS!
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fishforthought
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i drove over the alex fraser today at around 3pm and saw at least 20 - 25 commercial fishing boats w/ nets out. and thats just from what i could see.
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