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Max Ledbetter

Competition and information among British Columbia salmon purse seiners

SEE http://thefishfinder.com/members/saltwater/ledbetter/
The Yak

I read some of that page and i dont see the point of the post.. are you looking to see who agree's with you or something, or is it just an "educational post"?
Max Ledbetter


A controversial historical post or a conversation piece.
The Yak

ahhh...cool
Anonymous

Max Ledbetter has been kicked off every Fishing Forum in the English speaking world in the past 3 years-and now he shows up here.
FYI-Ledbetter's info is decades old he hasn't lived in BC for over 15 years now!
The way things are done in the Commercial Industry is completely different now-Ledbetter isn't intersted on that-just promoting his ancient thesis.
I'm hardly the Commercial Industry's biggest fan but both they and FOC have seen that things must change and the whole harvesting focus has changed.
Shorter soak times for Gillnetters, staggered openings for Seiners and gear restrictions for Trollers are just some of what were once considered radical but are now standard operatring procedure.
I don't know what Ledbetter hopes to accomplish with his old info-he's too old/feeble to even slander people.
Max Ledbetter

Your attitude and the fact that your reply opens with a dull lie (i.e., "Max Ledbetter has been kicked off every Fishing Forum in the English speaking world in the past 3 years") doesn't bode well for your slow-to-develop sense of humor or for BC's fisheries, etc.

My Web page includes an e-mail protesting that the BC fishery has changed. And I'm sure that there's plenty of people out there who argue that the BC salmon are still overfished.

In many parts of the world (e.g., Fiji, the Philippines, and America's east coast) allowing purse seiners to fish within 7 miles of shore (if at all) is considered a crime against nature and man.
Anonymous

"In many parts of the world (e.g., Fiji, the Philippines, and America's east coast) allowing purse seiners to fish within 7 miles of shore"

I've been to and fished in Fiji-Seiners aren't permitted to fish anywhere near Islands where people live-there are over 300 inhabited Islands in Fiji.
Seiners are seeen in port in Suva to pick up supplies/drop off fish but are never ever seen anywhere near where Native people fish-it doesn't happen and the plentiful Inshore stocks tell the tale.
I doubt Ledbetter could find Fiji on a map for sure he's never been there.

As to the East Coast of the USA-7 miles?
That's also bunk-you can see 7 miles out to sea-Bowen Island is 6 miles away from Vancouver-no seiners work that close to Inshore waters in the USA.

Upon closer examination I see that it's been 18 years since Ledbetter has been to BC-what does he know about this place anyway?
He's an old man now with an old man's narrow wisdom.
New ideas/ways of fishing hold no interest for over-the-hill minor league academic wannabes like Ledbetter.
Max Ledbetter

Wow! You're not worth the reply, but here goes:

You left out part of my sentence. I wrote, "within 7 miles of shore (if at all)." Get it? Read my lips: ". . . if at all . . ."

Here's some news I quoted on my Web page:


Ban Use Of Purse Seine Fishing Boats, Fiji Says
'This type of fishing is killing marine life'

By Robert Keith-Reid
Islands Business, August 2003, http://www.pacificislands.cc

Fiji will press for a complete ban of the use of purse seine fishing boats in the Western and Central Pacific, or at least a minimum number and tighter controls on them. . . . According to Fiji's fisheries and forests minister Konisi Yabaki, purse seine fishing is "environmentally unfriendly and should be controlled, minimised or completely banned." This type of fishing is killing most marine living organisms including juvenile tuna fish. "Its excessive use in the region is detrimental to our healthy tuna stocks, and to our local industry," he claimed in a July statement in which he announced a temporary freeze on the issue of licences for fishing in the Fiji's 1.26 million square kilometres exclusive economic zone (EEZ).



Cape Cod tuna fishermen angered by bigger boat's pricey fish haul

The Boston Globe, 7 October 2003, http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2003/10/07/cape_cod_tuna_fishermen_angered_by_bigger_boats_pricey_fish_haul/

Last week, the North Queen, an 84-foot purse seiner based in New Bedford, was guided to a school of tuna by a spotter plane flying overhead. It scooped up the fish within sight of local fishermen in smaller boats.

"It's a crime. We had an agreement with them (not to fish in Cape Cod Bay). They shouldn't be fishing there," Peter Weiss, president of the General Category Tuna Association, told the Cape Cod Times.

"Years ago that bay was covered in tuna fish," said Kevin Scola, a tuna fisherman based in Marshfield. "I remember days standing on pulpit and seeing five or six bunches, with 500 to 600 a bunch."

Scola is convinced that bluefin tuna imprint on an area, and return year after year. When purse seiners catch a whole school, that memory dies with that group -- and bad tuna years in Cape Cod Bay always followed big catches by the seiner fleet in the years before, he said


Anonymous

"According to Fiji's fisheries and forests minister Konisi Yabaki, purse seine fishing is "environmentally unfriendly and should be controlled, minimised or completely banned." "

FYI-Konisi Yabaki has since been implicated in a scandal involving Taiwanese Longliners.
Yes he was saying "let's get rid of these Guys and meet my new friends"!

"Last week, the North Queen, an 84-foot purse seiner based in New Bedford, was guided to a school of tuna by a spotter plane flying overhead."

That is standard practice Planet wide-there is nothing unique about using aircraft-be it fixed wing or rotor-to track Tuna.

Older people like you often don't realise how quickly the world moves-the first 'spotter aircraft' were used to find Tuna in the 40's.Today most Tuna seiners have a helicopter pad aboard.

BTW Quoting yourself as some kind of authority shows how bereft of ideas you really are.The issues are well known and Management authoritites and Conservation groups continue to develop solutions.

What Groups do you belong to oldtimer?

What results have your pathetic bleatings brought?
JoHn87

Sorry for budging in on your childish behaviour ( no offence ) do you guys know each other?? i mean, anonymous you said hes an old tymer, and that its been like 18 years since he lived in BC, you seem to know alot of him, just wondering why you guys are lashing out at each other about this...You guys been putting up a good show though
The Yak

THis is getting to be a very boring string...
Go away Ledbetter
This is site is no place for your political rant... its about SPORT fishing... and trying to help each other catch fish...
el-nino2010

purse seiners do their fair bit of damage to fish stocks but so to trawlers......they simply dessimate all marine life for months in their catchment areas. Maybe trolling should be the only method allowed to commercial fisherman in order to allow our fish stocks to recover...this will cause unemployment in the industry already devastated but aren't we sport fisherman already taking it up the arse with regulations and surcharges....any comments????yak what do you think?
Ledbetter

For further references to my work on salmon see

Further references to Max Ledbetter's salmon research--CLICK HERE

(see references to Hilborn, R. and M. Ledbetter OR Hilborn and Ledbetter)



Max Ledbetter

http://www33.brinkster.com/ledbetter

http://thefishfinder.com/members/saltwater/ledbetter
Louis Vuitton

I totally agree with TheYak. This site is aobut sportfishing in BC, and a place to share knowledge about fishing around the country, and the world for those who need info. Last time I checked, this wasn't a political site. And I'm not sorry for budging in on this string. After this post, which I hope is the last on this string, we should go back to they way we used to be, which is better than the direction this is goin.

Tight Lines.
Ledbetter


At the top of the forum, your webmaster says, "Dear Visitors,
please do not hesitate to post questions, comments and photos at the Fishing Forum about fishing in Canada, British Columbia."

But I guess BC breeds complainers and small minds.
Louis Vuitton

Max, drop the subject, its getting old.
Sorta sucks how a seventeen year old has to be the bigger man. Webmaster, do something; everyone else, just make this the last thread and drop it. Lets get back to what we're here for, which is helpin eachother out.

Tight lines
Ledbetter


You are not being the bigger man. You're trying to dictate what people should or should not say, just like a 17 year old.

Last year (in this thread) someone asked what effect my words/research have had, so this year I posted a link to international papers and sites that discuss some of my past work (i.e., my papers with Hilborn).

You'd be surprised at the organizations that repeatedly look at my Web page--at one point NASA was looking me up by name on Google.

Adios. I have nothing more to say here.
Louis Vuitton

Here I am
I stand here on this river,
Snow falling all around
Frost starting on the ground
The tailout looking nice and slow
I cast my fly out from the snow
Covered banks. I let it drift down
I can hear every sound
That this river has to tell me
I hear it speak, but then its loud
My reel is screaming, what a beautiful sound

Meh, thats my poem about what I hope its goin to be like on the Vedder.

Tight Lines, see you all out there soon, as soon as theres another cold snap to get the fish goin out there.

Later
dusty

im onelie ten, and i liek to phish, but yue sound skaery maxx.i liek yor poam. Its relay nice
Beak007

Now this is new... A stale Ph D reject among his scholars decides to preach a group of uneducated anglers... lmao... NASA looking up your work on Google... Now that has credibility written all around it. lmao.... Good for you, would you like a candy?
Ledbetter

Yes, the satellite guys at NASA. Their IP Organization Title and location showed up on my hit-counter (CQcounter) domain name lookup more than once.

As for scholastics, I come from a family of scholars and artists, and many of our friends are scholars. They are not very interested in (or impressed by) fisheries and fishermen.

Lots of ruck,

Max
Beak007

Um, I thought you have nothing more to say here already? I guess not...

Sure it's not NASA guys looking for porn on Google during lunch break and were utterly disappointed by their findings?

Why don't you go spam on the other beek sites like fishingwithrod.com or screamingreels.org or fishbc.com or sportfishingbc.com or bcfishingreports.com?

Blah blah blah....
Ledbetter


I read a few years ago (and I'm not sure where, perhaps in Scientific American) that Pacific salmon are vulnerable to the prion that causes Mad Cow Disease. Now, according to the news, some of the chicken feed shipped to British Columbia contains rendered protein from an Albertan Mad Cow. We can all imagine the fish and their fry eating the animal feed as it enters the rivers flowing to the Pacific. So should we ask a hard and wild question: How much prion-contaminated farm feed will it take to contaminate our Pacific salmon? (Max Ledbetter, 24 May 2003)


Mad Cow Crosses Species Barrier

from http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Goat-Had-Mad-Cow-Disease-in-France-40120.html
Jan. 28, 2005

Goat Had 'Mad Cow' Disease in France

AFX News
01/28/05 9:32 AM PT

"The discovery is a disturbing sign that BSE can be transmitted to other species used for human consumption. The disease has been linked to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD), the human form of mad cow, which causes brain wasting, personality change, loss of body function and death.

A French goat slaughtered in 2002 has tested positive for "mad cow" disease, the French agriculture ministry said, in what is the first known case in the world of the fatal illness occurring in an animal other than a bovine.

In Brussels, the European Commission said that confirmation of mad cow disease in the goat was the first time ever the condition has crossed over from bovines to another species.

But the Commission said there was minimal risk to humans after scientists established that bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) has crossed the species barrier from cows naturally.

"It's the first natural case in the world," European Commission spokesman Philip Tod told Agence France-Presse, explaining that goats had been given BSE in laboratories to see if the cross-species infection was possible.

The discovery is a disturbing sign that BSE can be transmitted to other species used for human consumption.

BSE has been linked to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD), the human form of mad cow disease, which causes brain wasting, personality change, loss of body function and ultimately death."
The Yak

the posts in this thread are inceasingly NOT about sport fishermen helping sport fisherman as is intended by this website.

This forum is for the discussion of such so, political or scientific rants (depending on your opinion) will be considered for removal from this post forth. It would suite everyone well if there were NO MORE threads at all in regards to the discussion going on in this thread and allow this thread be relegated to the back pages where it belongs.

Administrator...
The Yak
HaloRail

I second that motion!!
HaloRail
Louis Vuitton

umm...I third that motion, and we should get back to what we used to be, or what all of us are like.

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